Their ignorance of the peoples of the countries they
are invading and attempting to subvert, their use of everything from
Islamic extremists to militarized neo-nazis groups and their threats of
sanctions and "prices to pay" are guaranteeing their own failure, and it
is about time.
Voice of Russia regular Rick Rozoff
spoke to us about the revocation of a 2012 Ukrainian Federal Law that
permitted language rights to linguistic groups which means in areas
where Russian is spoken by a majority of people it cannot be used. Mr.
Rozoff says that the cultural pogrom we have seen in Ukraine is on a
level that is almost unimaginable and compares it to the ascension to
power of Hitler's National Socialists in Germany after 1933. Rozoff call
the events in Ukraine: "...the worst thing that has occurred in our
lifetime for what it signals: the utter triumph of lawlessness
internationally, the utter triumph of international gangsterism and I
mean the big gangsters in the West who are behind this ultimately and
their gutter-snipes and their punks on the streets who are delivering
the goods for them." As for financial aid Rozoff says the usurpers in
Kiev are simply asking for their pay-off money.
This
is John Robles. You are listening to an interview with Rick Rozoff –
the owner and manager of the stop NATO website and international mailing
list.
Robles: Hello Rick, how are you?
Rozoff: Good John, despite the circumstances.
Robles: Yeah,
I have no words right now myself. But I would like to hear your take on
what is going on right now in Ukraine, and especially with the
outlawing of the Russian language?
Rozoff:
Ukraine is divided right now. It is not only divided between people who
are Russian speaking primarily, or Russian and Ukrainian bilingual, and
those fanatics and extremists in Western Ukraine who insist on speaking
Ukraine only, Ukrainian rather only. I mean there is linguistic and
general cultural geographical divide that exists in the country, but
really what we are talking about is ideological and I would argue
ultimately moral ofdivisions within the country.
What
occurred on Saturday, let’s call it by its proper name, it was the most
overt coup that has occurred in Europe since before World War II,
there’s no question about that. The only comparison, and we’ve discussed
it before, would be something on the order of Benito Mussolini’s march
on Rome in 1922.
If the previous colour revolutions,
including the so-called "Orange Revolution" in Ukraine in 2004 and 2005
was essentially an illegal seizure of power, and it’s my contention it
was, it was at least done under the auspices or under the pretence of it
being a parliamentary electoral transition, that is a special election
was held and there was a change of regime based on the result of the
election, whether or not that was a legitimate election or not.
What
happened this past Saturday however is of a totally calibre. What we
have seen is a group of violent mob activists, essentially chasing the
government out of power, in collusion with certain forces within the
Parliament, within the RADA. But for the most part the mob – mob rule –
has taken over in Ukraine, and what we are going to see, that given the
flavor or the nature of the real core of the opposition on the streets
in Kiev, in Lviv and elsewhere in the country, which is: extreme
nationalist, fanatically and intolerantly nationalist to the point of
fascist, is what we can expect to see is a series of punitive measures,
vendettas, pogroms, and these will be directed against first of all
political adversaries, there is a statement I believe on Interfax today
where a leader of the Party of Regions, formally the governing party
only a few days ago after all, only four days ago, stated that we are
now operating at gun-point. And he’s a Deputy in the Parliament, in the
VerkhovnaRada, and it's something we've all suspected.
That
not only have members of the now opposition parties, formally governing
parties, operating under duress but that announcements there have been
threats to their lives and the lives of their families and that is what I
suspect is occurring, and that’s why you see some of the defections if
not most that we’ve seen.
We also have to realize that
there is a movement afoot, as you indicate, to revoke a 2012 Federal law
that permitted language rights to linguistic group that represented ten
or more percent of the population and that any given political entity
and province, that has now been revoked. That means in areas where
Russian is spoken by a majority of people technically, it cannot be used
as a state language, one of two state languages.
Similarly
with other ethnic minorities, Hungarian and others in the west of the
countryor Romanian perhaps. We have already heard about an attack on the
synagogue in Kiev. We heard anti-Semitic language, clearly
anti-Russian. We’ve seen that monument erected to the victory of the
Soviet Union in World War II over Nazi Germany desecrated. We’ve seen a
statue to General Kutuzov, who led the Russian Army in the war against
Napoleon in 1812, destroyed.
We have seen a cultural
pogrom on a level that is almost unimaginable - the only comparison I
could possibly think of is shortly after the ascension to power of
Hitler’s National Socialists in Germany after 1933, you know the book
burnings and the other cultural assaults against ethnic and other
minorities in the country, this is what we are seeing right now.
Look,
I have right in front of me right now, a photograph of the City Hall in
Kiev from 2 or 3 days ago, and there are pillars, columns, in the
centre of it. The Svoboda banners or pennants are hanging from both
sides – you know the 3 fingers and the fist – a roughly a variation of
the art for, you know punch fist salute of all the coloured revolutions.
In the middle is a giant representation of Stepan Bandera, the
Ukrainian nationalist and accused Nazi collaborationist in World War II.
This is what’s taken over in Kiev, this is what’s taken over in much of
Ukraine
Robles:
What would you say about Secretary of State John Kerry. Two statements I
would like you to comment on, one by John Kerry, he says: “Ukraine is
going through an extraordinary transition and developments there
shouldn’t be viewed as a west against east scenario”.
And
also, this is the so-called opposition, or I don’t know if you can call
people who have used force to occupy the houses of government as new
leaders, but that’s what the western media is calling them.
“The
new leaders in Ukraine have promised to fight separatism”, as the
European Union and Russia called on them to ensure the country’s
integrity’. Can you comment on those two statements?
Rozoff:
John Kerry’s comment? I would first of all just counterpoise his
comment. There’s a useful duplicity amongst American politicians when
they are actually part of the governing administration they speak at
least in the public with a degree of restraint that belies their true
intention, which came to the fore or was revealed a couple of weeks ago
when the Victoria Nuland tape was aired – this is how they talk
privately, right, telling the European Union to get aft and dictating
terms for the next regime in the Ukraine after the coup that occurred on
Saturday.
But while they are speaking at least to the
public, to the media, they use restrained language like Mr Kerry,
however, within the last 24 hours, John McCain, one of the ranking
Senators in the US Senate, and a former presidential candidate not too
long ago, was on television stating that it’s a question… (this is a
distinction between East and West) there is a conflict between East and
West.
The Ukrainian people, he states as though he’s
empowered to speak on their behalf, or can divine what their true
intentions are, he says the Ukrainian people want to be a part of the
West and not the East and then the “East” carries a negative connotation
(the reference is clearly to Russia) that there is something inherently
bad about the East and about Russia, and of course no sane Ukrainian in
Mr McCain’s view would possibly want to affiliate with his kith and kin
across the border in Russia, who are seen as inherently inferior or
inherently savage and barbarian and so forth.
He also
said, and I think this worth … your listeners ought to know about this,
that the events and the takeover, the bloody and violent coup in Ukraine
last Saturday (he said this twice) should make Russian President
Vladimir Putin “a little nervous”.
This is the same
McCain who said, right after Muammar Gaddafi was killed in October 2011
that Vladimir Putin ought to pay attention, in so many words that “he is
the next”. This is again he is a senior member of the US Senate, a
presidential candidate. He is speaking the truth of what the American
political establishment means. Kerry is simply sugar-coating his words.
Robles: So they are threatening Vladimir Putin, this a provocation in your opinion?
Rozoff:
Again. Well I don’t know what else to say, but McCain twice in the
television interview said to Vladimir Putin, given the events, recent
events in Ukraine "ought to be a little nervous," that's a quote.
Robles:
I see, I see. What about the new “leaders”, these “peaceful protesters”
that they are going to fight separatism? Can you comment on that?
Rozoff:
Well let’s keep in mind separatism is a two-edged sword and these
people have played both bloody ends of it. On the one hand had they not
succeeded in bringing down the government, the legally elected and
universally, internationally recognized government of Ukraine last
Saturday, then they themselves would have played the suffragette’s card
in north-west Ukraine, around the Lviv area, calling for independence or
breaking away or at least some autonomy status.
Now
having taken control of the capital in a putsch, in a coup, they are
against separatism, and the US and NATO of course are right behind the
extremists, the Molotov cocktails hurling and the sniper rifle wielding
extremists who took power on Saturday are coming in (that is the US and
NATO and the Europaen Union and saying: “… we will not tolerate
separatism or the fragmentation of Ukraine.”
That is an
unquestionable reference in the first place to Crimea. That should any
efforts be made by these newly established authorities in Crimea to
assert the rights, they have the Russian language and so forth, that can
then be construed or exploited by the, whatever anarchic mob of
gangsters that’s running the affair currently in Kiev that threaten the
Crimea and then call on their western patrons to back them up.
Robles:
But they actually have under international law and under normal
international standards, they have the right to secede from Ukraine if
their human rights and their right to self-determination and the right
to speak the language that is native to them, if that’s infringed upon,
they have the right to secede from Ukraine. SO what they are doing is
the exact opposite, they are forcing the breakup of Ukraine themselves..
Rozoff:The
may bringing events about that may lead to the fragmentation of Ukraine
but I still believe and there is a parallel to theis and a precedent,
when the first and the “real” colour revolution succeeded in 2003-2004,
that is in Georgia, where Mikhail Saakashvili came to power with an irredentist and uncompromising hostile towards Russia.
His
first manoeuvre was within a month or two of taking office was the
threatening of an autonomous region within Georgia, just as Crimea is an
autonomous region within Ukraine, and I’m talking about Adjara or
Adjaria. And he threatened the country there was still slow handful
Russian peace keepers there, he actually moved his military right up to
the border.
Eventually it lead to the president of
Adjara having to flee to Moscow and then they took over the area. This
is what I believe the new extremists in Kiev are going to replicate if
they can. They are going to have, just like Hitler distinguished himself
by remilitarizing the Rhineland and then eventually bombing Spain or
moving into the Sudetenland.
Everyone of this ilk needs
some military campaign to consolidate power and I fear that threats
against Crimea would be the most likely scenario for consolidating some
sort of fascistic power in Kiev.
Robles: I see. Where do you see NATO in all of this, Rick, please? That is very important.
Rozoff:It
is in a very thick of it. I mean despite the fact that NATO is going
out of its way to keep a low profile because to do otherwise is to
expose the real essence of what is occurring in Ukraine which is: that a
country of vital geostrategic significance, one that is not only close
to Russia, but is arguably almost inseparable to it, the way Syrians and
Lebanese may have felt in the past is I think how Ukrainians and
Russians do now. They see themselves as at one time being part of this
one political entity. There are relatives on each side of the boarder
and certainly particularly in the Crimea.
NATO has said
a couple of things. Secretary General of NATO Anders Fogh Rasmussen two
days ago, on February, 23 made a statement in to the effect that
Ukraine is a vital partner of NATO and NATO is a friend to the Ukrainian
people.
Robles: A vital partner?
Rozoff:Yes.
Impressing its stamp of NATO, in other words we’ve branded you, we’ve
marked you off as our territory and there is an upcoming meeting of
defense ministers in Brussels. I believe it is occurring tomorrow, for
two days, 26 and 27 our time here.
And there is going to be a regular scheduled meeting – the NATO- Ukraine Commission- something set up to help integrate Ukraine fully into NATO.
As
though the coup had never occurred, right. As though there had been no
disruption. Everything else has gone by the way aside. I’m sure public
transportation, I’m sure health service, I’m sure everything else has
been impacted or impeded by the upheaval in Ukraine but not the meeting,
the NATO- Ukraine Commission which is going according to their schedule
tomorrow.
We had the cases in the past to mention,
that even under Yanukovich, and you think how much worse it is going to
be now under whatever juntais
implanted in Kiev, that even under Yanukovich Ukraine became the first
country to assign two naval vessels to permanent NATO maritime
operations, one in the Mediterranean, one in the Indian Ocean, operation
Active Endeavour and operation Ocean Shield respectively.
Ukraine
became the first not-full member of NATO to supply military forces for
NATO’s response force. So the process of integrating Ukraine into NATO
has been going on for decades. It has been intensified in recent years
rather than the opposite. And that opportunity now presents the US and
its allies with the opportunity to further absorb and consolidate control over Ukraine.
This
is possibly the worst thing that occurred in our lifetime and I do not
exaggerate, for what it signals: the utter triumph of lawlessness
internationally, the utter triumph of international gangsterism and I
mean the big gangsters in the West who are behind this ultimately and
their gutter-snipes and their punks on the streets who are delivering
the goods for them.
To the tune by the way, as the new even fluid and amorphous regime and Kiev is asking of the West $35 billion in bailout money.
Robles:
That is the first thing they got in there, the first thing they did was
saying: “Oh, Russian –it is illegal as a language, so therefore other
Russians are also illegal. And we need several billion dollars”. That is
a first thing they did.
Rozoff:Yeah, they are asking for their pay-off money.
You
were listening to an interview with Rick Rozoff – the owner and manager
of the stop NATO website and international mailing list.
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